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hetmanbasza (January 1, 1970 at 12:59 am)
@Dreachon If I may barge in... The ability to disable/destroy Tigers comes as a bonus with IS2 & 3's. They were designed to slug it out not with armour but with massive German fixed defenses sometime a couple of km deep. All the crew of an IS had to do was to drive up straight to the target, shove the gun in the hole where the fire was comming from. Squize trigger. Backup and repeat. Speed of fire was not important. Drilling holes in front plates of Tigers was an icing on the cake!
trent3727 (January 1, 1970 at 12:59 am)
sweet doco
Acornoa (January 1, 1970 at 12:59 am)
@kramnosdivad - doen't matter which is better, but why would anyone 'want' to fight in a Js3, the conditions are horrible. You dont just engange in one battle with the tank, the tank becomes your home.
kramnosdivad (January 1, 1970 at 12:59 am)
With the Russian army pounding at your door? I'd rather have a poorer substandard tank available than none at all.
kramnosdivad (January 1, 1970 at 12:59 am)
I stand by my original comment. I'd rather fight in a Js3 than an Is2. As for the metals question, the Germans had less and less access to raw materials after mid 1944. The arnaments industries were competing for the dwindling stocks of iron, precious metals, rubber and oils. Anecdotal reports about the King tiger's armour were probably true. Would you cut back production of heavy tanks or let the standards drop?
Dreachon (January 1, 1970 at 12:59 am)
Problem with the IS3 is very low rate of fire, still poor optics and a smallammo capacity, and it probaly also was very effecient for the crew to work inside it's cramped interieur.Also the only source for poor german armour quality comes soley from the russians and , tests carried out by the allies after the war still showed that panzer produced in 44 and 45 were still of the same quality as 42 42
HelmetGuy09 (January 1, 1970 at 12:59 am)
why are you talking about king tigers? Koenigstigers are Tiger 2B's - this is Tiger 1's
kramnosdivad (January 1, 1970 at 12:59 am)
1/ The king tiger is a great defensive tank, I'll give you that. However if you look at the Js3 you'll immediately see that the Js3's armour design is completely superior (put your prejudices aside and have a look at it). The Js3 is lower and much more rounded, the pike shaped glacis plate guarantees a deflection hit of incoming projectiles. The German lack of quality steel is a matter of public record. look it up. Js3 has a rough finish (does not require extensive machining). Uses less fuel.
Dreachon (January 1, 1970 at 12:59 am)
@kramnosdivad I do would like to know were you get those ideas, none of them are true.The IS-3 had the same gun as the IS-2, it did not have a semi-automatic loading system, such a system wasn't feasible at that time, it's RoF was still due to the large rounds and cramped interiuer far lower than of the KT.Then there is no evidence for a decline in german armour quality, tests carried out after the war by the british showed the armour to adhere to all quality demands of the germans.
kramnosdivad (January 1, 1970 at 12:59 am)
Well morgoth4melkor, The world is full of claims, but you've presented no evidence. Just saying "it's true" doesn't make it so. If you've got it, show it. |
